INTERNATIONAL PRESALES

Joker: Folie à Deux Overseas

  • Charlie Jatinder ($8M OS through WED for #Joker2. WOM is bad almost everywhere. Opens in ANZ, LATAM today. Expecting ~$75M weekend (October 3). I tweeted $90M OW but $80M OW likely (October 1). Joker 2 initial reception seems toxic in South Korea. Opens in India, most of Europe and Asia tomorrow. Pre-sales are okayish. Expecting $90M OS weekend, which will be down from ~$150M the first one (October 1).)

  • DEADLINE (The expectation for this first wave of overseas markets this weekend is $80M-$85M+ internationally (October 1).)

Australia

  • charlie Jatinder (Yikes. FRI below THU final but worse is the fact that pace is lower. May drop tomorrow. In AUD: 1.15M THU, 1M+ FRI, 1.4M SAT, 1M Sunday, 4.5+ 4 day weekend (October 3).)

China: Presales and Maoyan Want to See from Firefox72

  • Firefox72 (Joker: Folie à Deux 3rd party media projections: $35-40M)

  • Firefox72 (Venom: The Last Dance 3rd party media projections: $71M-$95M)

Germany

  • IndustriousAngel (Joker: at my cinema, today's opening shows are doing alright – no sellouts but 40-50% capacity, and tomorrow's shows are booked well, too. The way it looks, 3mil total are a possibility but depend on legs (which is often a bad sign for sequels as they tend to be more frontloaded) (October 2).)

  • miketheavenger (I think the OW will be fine since it will also have help from the federal holiday tomorrow. Legs could become a problem though if WOM is as bad as it seems it could be (October 2).)

Greece

  • Quigley (Next week, 'Joker: Folie à Deux' enters the marketplace. The sequel to 'Joker' doesn't seem as promising though, mainly because it is a musical and I have heard that presales are not nearly as big (October 1).)

Mexico

  • Carlangonz (Joker: Folie à Deux: $24.28M Pesos ($1.25M USD) WED previews and $19.7M Pesos ($1.02M USD) THU comp. THU sales are less impactful here and seem a bit tricky on which way the day will go; in the case of Deadpool & Wolverine there was the rating limitation which won't be the case for Folie a Deux because it got a B-15 rating (it's merely informative and anyone under 15 can still attend). There's an elephant in the room for this one which is reception. First Joker was a WOM phenomenon from its very first day but so far reactions from local media have been mostly mixed to negative even from youtubers who usually go very easy on SH-related stuff. This reception has been more vocal and loud than that of titles like Quantumania, The Marvels, The Flash or Shazam 2. While first public screenings are barely ending at the moment of this post; I don't think it will do better with audiences. Curiosity could lead to visibility over the weekend but if is really toxic there won't be much hope. Opening day including previews shall do around $50M Pesos ($2.58M USD). We'll see how reception goes but 4-Day weekend looks like $140M-$150M Pesos ($7.24M – $7.75M USD). Strong WED previews end but still fell below The Flash and considering that Fast X number was 5.5 hours earlier than this one; surely pace finished behind that one too. It grew good enough in the last week to ensure $20M Pesos in previews as most comps signal and even $25M Pesos may be on the table. Godzilla & Kong is an outlier given capacity constraints and had less fan-rush (October 2). Superb increase this final weekend; way bigger than any of the comps and close to what Flash grew from T-7 to T-2. Average is $19.4M Pesos which seems appropriate considering higher ATP than Fast X and Flash. We'll see if it can mantain pace all through the end and may add some extra comps as well. Thursday sales seem down though; both Fredy and D&W comps point to $20M Pesos but will wait until T-1 to see how FX and Flash adjust because those comps are delayed by one day. Pending on how front-loaded may be, seems like $180M Pesos ($9.18M USD) opening weekend. Reception from spanish-speaking media is mixed so far, both from Spain and Latin America (September 30). Honestly is quite impressive how it managed to keep up pace with Fast X during the whole weekdays. So far is doing good enough to deliver somewhat decent numbers even if it's below first Joker opening. We'll see how walk-ins do (September 27). It added IMAX shows which will be sharing for two days with Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense but overall is not particularly outstanding tbh; falling below Flash in occupancy and pace for the whole weekend is quite rough but even if it still drops in small margins should make up the difference with a higher ATP. I'm still counting on it coming close to $20M Pesos ($1.03M USD) in previews but Warner is slowing down the marketing and with no press junkets or major coverage (Venice was a huge deal that kept the conversation for the whole month leading to the release of the first one) will be tough to sustain momentum (September 23). Couldn't take 24-Hour data but given sales started at 9AM, I don't think there was significant demand to move the neddle from what it already looked like. Is looking like o/u $20M Pesos ($1.03M USD) in previews and o/u $200M Pesos ($10.34M USD) for the whole weekend. Can't say is doing bad like elsewhere but it does is a step down from first Joker first weekend (FSS). We'll see how it paces on the upcoming days (September 20). After first 12 hours of sales for previews: 784 tickets sold and 5.31% occupancy compared to 634/6.3% for The Flash, 825/5.34% for Fast X, and 3475/68.88% for FNAF at the same point after tickets' launch (September 19). Tickets for Joker: Folie a Deux going on sale this Thursday. Releases October 3rd with night previews starting at 7PM on the 2nd. First set of shows are popping up and allocation is looking more like The Flash rather than Deadpool & Wolverine. Very curious to see how this one goes after how sales are going in US/CAN and Brazil (September 17). Tickets for Folie a Deux won't come out for another week. Was expecting a full 3-week window but Warner is going quietly (September 9).)

United Kingdom

  • Allanheimer (Speaking of Joker, seems to be selling pretty damn well here 5 days out. Definitely stronger than Beetlejuice at the same point and that's compared to my local and across the board at the Leicester Square theatres plus BFI. I'd say £8-10m+ opening right now (September 29).)

  • GreenbackBoogie (Movio are saying 46% presales are IMAX/PLF. Despite UK premiere last week and Lady Gaga on Graham Norton buzz seems really soft (October 1).)

  • Krissykin (Just checked my local and I’m going to guess around £5m opening for Joker instead (September 29).)

  • leoh (‘Venom: The Last Dance’ tickets on sale October 2 in the UK (September 28).)

  • NorthernBrit20 (As a former employee within the cinema industry, I’m expecting Joker 2 to do very well. In my many years of experience working in multiple cinema’s, films that have such pre-sales in premium format follow through to have a good amount of walk ins on top. The only thing that could end this film quickly at the box office would be bad reviews (September 29).)

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6 Comments

  1. Is that normal in Mexico? Strong Wed preview but low Thursday? or is it just the bad WOM kicking in already?

  2. $7.5 million in Mexico is already less than $9.1 million projected yesterday.

    The toxic WOM Will kill any legs.

  3. Evil-Slingers-Fan on

    I know this is a goal post but this film’s Final WW total can’t be as low as The Marvels? Right?

    RIGHT?!

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